Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket

Can see @Batagur baska the last week has removed dozens of player pages (at lest from May 3 - 6), redirecting to lists. Is there a discussion of these removals? I did look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cricket/archive, but can't see them name there. Examples Pernille Jønsson, Malene Iversen, Zain Abbas (Hong Kong cricketer), Jordan Martel Moedk (talk) 11:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi, Moedk. The articles have been redirected to appropriate lists such as List of Denmark women ODI cricketers because they seem to be permanent stubs without scope for expansion. In addition, although I personally do not like WP:GNG, they all fail that too, and it would only be a matter of time before they are taken to WP:AFD and probably deleted. The better option is WP:ATD-R because, although the article has been redirected to a list, its history remains intact and, should anyone find sufficient reliable sources about the subject, it can be expanded and reinstated. So, if you read ATD-R, it explains the process. If there any redirects you believe you can expand, please go ahead.

It is interesting that the first example you have chosen is Pernille Jønsson because that was a very short stub indeed — it had a readable prose size of 166 bytes (25 words).

I should add that I'm working on Category:Cricket stubs and its subcats to identify non-stubs, which I'm promoting to start, and also permanent short stubs like Pernille Jønsson which can be stored via ATD-R. Happy to discuss further. Thanks. Batagur baska (talk) 13:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Surely these should have been discussed? Difficult for one editor to tell if these articles are "permanent stubs without scope for expansion", and even if they are sent to AfD and accepted, they can then be redirected anyway. Mpk662 (talk) 18:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Mpk662, the wording of WP:ATD-R is: "A page can be blanked and redirected if there is a suitable page to redirect to, and if the resulting redirect is not inappropriate. If the change is disputed via a reversion, an attempt should be made to reach a consensus before blank-and-redirecting again. Suitable venues for doing so include the article's talk page and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion.

There is no need for any editor using ATD-R to discuss the matter beforehand. WP:BOLD applies and any competent editor should be able to judge an article's potential. You have misquoted me by omitting the words "seem to be". Please do not try to twist my meaning. I made it clear in my response to Moedk that they should restore any redirects they can expand, as per ATD-R. Okay? Batagur baska (talk) 20:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

There have been endless discussions on the subject of sports biography stubs, including a massive RFC that resulted in changes to WP:NSPORT. Ultimately such articles need to meet WP:GNG. Stubs sourced only to databases, match reports, team announcements, etc. fail to even meet WP:SPORTCRIT so redirecting is a good WP:ATD and saves wasting everyone's time at WP:AFD. If anyone wants to revive and expand the articles to something encyclopedic, they are welcome to find some substantial sources and do so. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 10:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you, Wjemather. You have taken the words out of my mouth. If articles like these were taken to AFD, they would face the risk of being deleted. Actually, I'm finding that non-stubs are the main problem in the Category:Cricket stubs family. Thanks again and all the best. Batagur baska (talk) 10:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Indian Premier League#Requested move 10 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vestrian24Bio (U • T • A • C • S) 03:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi! A separate Wikiproject for Women's Premier League (cricket) has been proposed. For it to be established a minimum number editors are needed to show their support to the Wikiproject. Interested editors please add your name here to show your support. Thanks!

See the Wikiproject draft here. You can also invite others by placing {{subst:User:Vestrian24Bio/Wikiproject Women's Premier League (cricket)/Invitation}} in their talk page. Regards! Vestrian24Bio (U • T • A • C • S) 05:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Does a single competition really merit its own Wikiproject? By that logic, there would be one one for the men's IPL, one for Test cricket, and dozens of others. I can't see that the resulting fragmentation would be a good thing. JH (talk page) 08:50, 15 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

There are already separate Wikiprojects for IPL, PPL, BPL and LPL. Vestrian24Bio (U • T • A • C • S) 09:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Not needed as this and all the other competition projects are just forks of this project that often just make up their own rules and violate cricket and general Wikipedia article guidelines. We should be closing down the IPL, PSL etc WikiProjects and merging them into WP:CRIC, not creating another unnecessary project. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

If we are to do so; We'll at least need separate taskforces for them. Vestrian24Bio (U • T • A • C • S) 13:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

• There's no need for these competition WikiProject's in my opinion. They are often only small in size which isn't good for participation and deciding things within the project and often over time die away. All can be done from this WikiProject anyway
• Comment. Agree with Joseph2302. These should be bought under the control of this project and made into taskforces. AA (talk) 22:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
• Comment. The new wikiproject will likely be inactive within a matter of weeks, and then just sit there doing nothing in perpetuity. Desertarun (talk) 12:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

• Agree, and this is the state of the PSL, LPL, BPL projects too- either completely inactive or active for a few weeks a year only. I'm sure I suggested a few years ago making them all taskforces of this project, but we didn't get much engagement on the subject. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

• And I see that this user has ignored us and created this WPL Wikiproject anyway..... Joseph2302 (talk) 15:06, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Well, the required limit 7 was reached yesterday when, only the first two comments by JH and Joseph were posted, Everything else were posted later; So, I didn't exactly ignore anyone. Vestrian24Bio (U • T • A • C • S) 15:14, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Dick Pilling's article got deleted, apparently because it was created by Blackjack who is banned. Can anyone here with admin access recreate it using the contents of the deleted article. Tintin 12:28, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

It's been recreated but could use some work. There's a bit more context at this archive link where concerns about copyvio were raised by an account that turned out to be a sock. When did the newer article get deleted? (btw, dick pilling is an interesting google search term - probably not one to do at work...) Blue Square Thing (talk) 15:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Article was deleted on 13 May along with other articles created by Blackjack's last two socks Boca Jóvenes and Batagur baska, mainly 'List of cricket team name cricketers'. --JP (Talk) 16:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Batagur baska has made some good edits in Indian cricket articles. Had never suspected that it was him. Don't know what is being achieved by deleting his good edits. Tintin 01:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

The same has happened with the Lahore Tournament article. I have messaged the deleting admin to say that I don't think it was appropriate to delete under G5, due to the nature of the article and its value going forward. Silly they delete articles created by banned users, like it's harming the banned user *shrugs shoulders*. AA (talk) 19:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

It is crazy to delete all those articles just like that. Tintin 01:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

I did a little work on the Dick Pilling article. I suppose BlackJack is already back here somewhere. I move around different areas of WP to avoid becoming too familiar with the "characters". He failed two of my attempts to get Shane Warne to GA status. Assuming good faith I just thought the article wasn't quite ready. Oh well. Desertarun (talk) 19:42, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Warne is on my to-do list as part of my Hampshire expansion project. He requires some work, so is toward the tailend of my list while I knock off the 'lesser' known players. AA (talk) 22:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

He died 2 years ago now ..seems like only yesterday! I've lost interest in taking it to GA but would possibly review it. BJ would no doubt be interested in failing it again. Desertarun (talk) 03:35, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes, a big loss. Hampshire members hoped he would one day coach the club. Keep on working on it, and have a look at similar cricket GA structures. There's plenty of Somerset cricketers who are GA, where you can get some ideas. Happy to muck in and go for a joint-GA. Also, given he is now sadly deceased, articles tend to be more stable once the subject is deceased, especially when they are very well known. AA (talk) 11:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'll do a co-nomination when you're ready, no real rush, you will have to remind me if its 6 or 12 months hence. The article is in good condition and ready to go. I did all of the heavy lifting with deletions and spin outs, and got it a copy edit from GOCE. The only real problem I had was with his domestic career, its lacking in content because I don't have any sources. But as you're a Hampshire man that would be neatly taken care of! Desertarun (talk) 18:23, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

There are some things I think might be worth looking at in the article. I'll add notes to your talk page and ping AA in on that. Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sure, in that case it'll be a triple nomination, or you could review it? Desertarun (talk) 08:58, 19 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

You can use the WebArchive tool to see the December 2023 version of the Lahore Tournament article. I'm not aware of any rule stopping you copying that and re-creating the article. --JP (Talk) 20:52, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Great hack, didn't think of that. I've recreated it. Cheers JP. AA (talk) 22:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello all. I have expanded Robert Poore, and wondered if anyone has any sources which could expand the article further? I think he has FA potential going forward. AA (talk) 12:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

You may have already checked them, but anything in his Wisden CotY, Wisden obit or Cricketer obit worth using? --JP (Talk) 12:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Cheers JP. I had read the CotY article, but overlooked a useful snippet about how his height affected his fielding. Hadn't considered The Cricketer, but found a couple of extra bits from that. Cheers. AA (talk) 13:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply